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I'm "enjoying" the Dienne-Michael exchanges, but it's too bad, I suppose, when good people disagree so sharply.

Michael,

I appreciate your civil disagreement and have generally held the same view. Even now I don't support the shouting down tactic, but I remain frustrated that the "right" uses this kind of incident to perpetuate a grievance-based false equivalence, as though the overreaction to their bigotry is the real problem. In so many instances, the issue is not about an exchange of ideas, Demeaning and assaulting the rights of gay or trans people is not an "idea" for academic discussion. Protecting that speech, even for noble reasons, confers a level of dignity it doesn't deserve.

We have also been unclear about "freedom of speech." We are protected from government repression. Private entities can repress or censor anything they wish, however misguided they may be. Construing the conservative judge's speech as "protected" is a category error. It might be bad policy or bad behavior to shout him down or disinvite him, but he has no "rights" in this respect.

The false equivalence is obvious. I doubt you disagree. Screaming at a holocaust denier is not the moral equivalent of screaming,"Jews will not replace us." I think we concede far too much when tacitly accepting both things as "protected," whether by the constitution or academic policy. The "right" is running rampant with this. "Antifa" is just like the Proud Boys. Black Lives Matter is just like the KKK. And so on, nearly ad infinitum.

So, while I share your sense of the principle, I also share the outrage of those who are fed up with the rights of "conservative" provocateurs being honored while the rights of their friends and loved ones are being trampled.

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Funny, Dienne: we read a lot of the same people: Hedges, Greenwald, Taibbi, Halper, Maté, and this list.

But I wonder if you realize that none of those first five favors the sort of speech suppression you and Steve advocate for here. If you do, what are you learning from reading those people? I'm confident that none of them would agree with the views you've expressed here (nor the tactic of taking personal swipes at someone taking a different viewpoint). I always hope for better than that from people on the left. But less and less these days do I find it whether in response to me or to others who express divergent viewpoints.

I'm not coloring anyone. I lost my crayons in the Sixties when the "color me" expression was first popular. Even as a young teenager I thought it silly.

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